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Jamie House's avatar

Thanks for the article, David. I suppose we need to create the conditions for meaningful cognitive engagement where the struggle is worth it.

I worked in a school that destroyed the groundwork for meaningful struggle when administration became obsessed with data and metrics.

It pushed us into these manic modes of better instructional practice to the detriment of meaningful thinking practices. The idea that it has "meaning if it can be measured" will plague our educational systems until disruption arrives. That in itself is a "competence without comprehension" and it happens even without AI's shadow.

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David Didau's avatar

Being obsessed about data and metrics is not a great approach. I wriote a bit about this here: https://daviddidau.substack.com/p/the-cost-of-borrowed-thought?r=18455

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Jamie House's avatar

I think you meant to give another link?

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Jamie House's avatar
Jamie House's avatar

Thank you. I might add that we don't only judge the performance with wrong inferences about student learning but also the performances of teachers teaching, which of course can be accurate but also misleading. Thanks again.

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Sunship Nonduality's avatar

Tty for this comment. I generally don't look upon the past that fondly, but as far as schooling goes it does seem that we lost something along the way. Only recently, almost middle aged, I came across "first principles thinking" for the first time. I'm pretty sure I wasn't taught that way.

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Dr. Jennifer Weber's avatar

This was a great read. I also wrote on this study late last week...https://open.substack.com/pub/jdweber/p/when-thinking-gets-outsourced?r=4hwsmu&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Giorgio Lagna's avatar

Great piece, David. That study lines up with something I argued recently in "AI Didn’t Invent Cheating. It Just Made It Irresistible": LLMs don’t short-circuit learning if students have already done the hard cognitive work of grappling with the problem. That’s why we need both: good AI tools *and* teachers who know how to scaffold curiosity and judgment.

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David Didau's avatar

Hi Giorgio - Yes, this isn't really about AI. It's imprtant to acknowledge that avoiding effort seems an essential human quality. So, to that end, I think what we need is teachers who are committed to expending effort on thinking about their curriculum and the lessons they teach. If teachers aren't prepared to think, it's ahrd to see why their students will.

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Kit's avatar

I’m unsure schools ever did much to encourage true learning. Who wouldn’t blush to discover all those hundreds of exams that one could no longer pass?

A few months back, out of the blue, I remembered how I never really understood the concept of a mole from chemistry. I asked AI and received the standard definition. But I pushed back in a way that I never could in class. Why carbon-12? Why that number? Why not more? Why not less? Why? Why? Why? I refused to accept anything, a bit like a stubborn kid. And when I understood the concept, I asked “so what”. But when my questions finally ran dry, I really understood what a mole was and why we needed it. That kind of knowledge just wasn’t the goal of my chemistry class. And somewhere in that little story, I think is the grain of some way forward. I really wish I were a student today.

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David Didau's avatar

Hi Kit - the way you describe how you use AI is similar to the way I use it. There's no doubt that used in this way it can enhance our ability to think. The trouble is, most of us, most of the time, avoid having to think.

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Roi Ezra's avatar

What if the real risk isn’t losing thinking, but losing the capacity to tell whether a thought is truly yours?

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David Didau's avatar

Hasn't that always been an issue? I constantly integrate thoughts from books or from conversations into my world view. I've little doubt I've forgotten the origin of many of the things I think. I'm not sure this is a risk.

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Roi Ezra's avatar

Hi David, yes it has, but now with AI is much more relevant. Integrating thoughts ia exactly the way to prevent this. The problem is that many people use AI for solving the problem, not thinking on it and helping you solve it. This is huge difference. You wrote "thoughts", it means you thought 😊

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